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Post by Arachis on Apr 17, 2007 4:52:55 GMT -5
Im not so sure thats always true JP. First off, you are either ignoring the effect emotion can have on choice, or assuming that predicting somebody's emotions is also possible. Second, you are assuming that people are always rational. And third, you are predicting all the outside influences that might affect his choice. In other words, you really would be predicting the future.
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Post by Archagon on Apr 17, 2007 11:52:55 GMT -5
Are we still discussing the problem, or have we branched out into a tangent discussion?
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Post by Random on Apr 17, 2007 12:10:18 GMT -5
emotion can be predicted just as easily, or more easily than everything else
whether its rational or not doesn't make a difference, since we already understand why some people act irrationally when they do (psychology)
all it would be is a reaction, like chemistry, nothing more
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Post by caffine10x on Apr 17, 2007 15:30:09 GMT -5
Are we still discussing the problem, or have we branched out into a tangent discussion? We're talking about UR MOM!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAA ok i said it lawl ;D
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Post by Arachis on Apr 17, 2007 17:25:07 GMT -5
So would you agree then that to predict somebodys choice, you would essentially have to be able to predict the future, since actions in the future might affect his choice?
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Post by Random on Apr 17, 2007 18:09:45 GMT -5
predicting anything is predicting the future
the only reason you're bringing up that fact is because somehow "predicting the future" is given some magical connotation that implies its impossible in real life
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Post by Arachis on Apr 18, 2007 3:15:52 GMT -5
No.. I just wanted to make sure that you thought that we could "predict the future" as opposed to just "predicting how someone will react given certain situations."
As far as predicting the future goes, Im gonna have to disagree with you there, and point to the fact that to predict the future we would really have to understand the whole universe, since even a particle 3 million light years away, could have an effect on something here, or similarly, a particle so small we havent discovered yet (moreover understood how it behaves) could mess up our predictions. I think it might be possible to predict the future with a certain certainty, say 99% even, but to predict it to 100% would require, in effect that we understand the whole universe down to the smalles particle which exists at the outer boundary of the universe.
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Post by Random on Apr 18, 2007 4:31:01 GMT -5
I agree with you, WE cannot predict the future. that doesn't mean its impossible. especially not for some theoretical entity dreamed up for a problem (that I still don't think is even a problem) like this.
also, as far as it concerns fate, if you believe that it is theoretically possible to predict anything given enough knowledge, that would imply that the basic idea of fate is true but I don't think that means we don't have any choices, I would say it means we do
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Post by henry on Apr 18, 2007 16:19:42 GMT -5
"The Predictor is a hyper accurate entity that can predict what a person does in the room."
The Predictor can predict the future in that room. This is given.
The Predictor wants to give you a big chunk of money, but only if you trust him.
The solution is obvious. You guys must be talking about something else because you've been going for too long. Right?
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Post by bezzerkker on Apr 18, 2007 23:14:14 GMT -5
Well, there has been plenty of discussion on the accuracy of the Predictor, despite the description "hyper accurate."
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Post by Arachis on Apr 19, 2007 9:13:09 GMT -5
I think henry has summed it up pretty well. And JP, I think I just misunderstood you, because I got the impression you thought that predicting the future/peoples actions was relatively easy and in the realm of possibility.
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Post by Random on Apr 19, 2007 12:40:00 GMT -5
Oh I do think it is in the realm of possibility, but definitely not easy. Just a matter of obtaining enough info and understanding what it means.
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