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Post by Blues on May 19, 2007 11:51:12 GMT -5
indeed, I've had my fair share of one-night-stands....
but this year I was looking for an intimate relationship. And I found one.
but yeah, I guess I'm not the stereotypical nice guy, huh? ;D
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Post by henry on May 19, 2007 13:23:30 GMT -5
"AFAIK, this sort of stuff has been going on long before the media ever existed."
Indeed.
I would argue that the nice guy phenomenon has existed much longer than media or even language. A confident, dominant male is more often chosen as a mate than a passive (nice) one. This is observable in various species.
Of course in modern humans it's a little different, but I think that the same animal pattern is in place.
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Post by Arachis on May 19, 2007 19:32:47 GMT -5
Im not sure thats always true henry, while you might find that in some species the dominant males are more often chosen as a mate, it really depends on the species and the way in which they have evolved. Not all species would survive as agressive dominant species, there are niches for other kinds of behaviour too. Im not saying that its not the case with humans, just that its a bad argument to support that theory.
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Post by henry on May 20, 2007 0:15:26 GMT -5
It's a good argument. I'm not saying that it works that way in all species. It does work that way in apes.
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Post by Blues on May 20, 2007 0:22:49 GMT -5
I dunno about you, but I'm not an ape. I'm a human dammit.
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Post by henry on May 20, 2007 1:37:28 GMT -5
i know about both of us, apes are our brothers and we are practically twins.
consider the numerous behavioral patterns that we share with apes. admittedly, we share a number of behavioral patterns with other species, but with some apes we share more. in addition, notice that we look almost exactly like apes, with diminished body hair, upright posture, and a weaker frame.
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Post by Arachis on May 20, 2007 2:50:49 GMT -5
and notice that behaviour is also one of the key differences between us and apes.
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Post by henry on May 20, 2007 14:01:20 GMT -5
What do we do that is different?
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Post by Blues on May 20, 2007 14:41:02 GMT -5
we use computers. duh.
I think, to get a girl, you don't have to be an asshole, but you can't be passive. You have to get out there and go for it.
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Post by dietspam16 on May 20, 2007 21:36:20 GMT -5
Interesting argument to bring up, but if you admit evolution, then there isn't really an argument to be had... We behave differently from (other!) apes because of our cerebral cortex. We've essentially grown a second wing onto our brain. The interaction between these brains is complex but needless to say our "original brain" is still there and deeply influential on all of our behaviors and actions. This other brain contains our animal instincts and has access to chemical triggers, such as adreniline or endorphins.
What this all adds up to is that YES our behavior is like our ape brethren to a significant extent.
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Post by Little Miss Odd on May 24, 2007 20:42:49 GMT -5
I assume the problem with 'being a nice guy' is that girls just don't go for them romantically? I'd postulate that because the 'nice boy' is nice to everyone, girls feel good about being with him, but not special. If he's nice to everyone equally, and generally he tries to maintain that, he's just another friend in the circle. Guys need to be at least a little agressive, show that they care enough to break out of that role. I think the problem is that 'nice boys' start out any kind of social interaction with the intent of being friends, mostly because the main characteristic of the 'nice boy' is that he doesn't need to get into your pants to find being with a pleasant experience. Once they establish that, they feel uncomfortable pushing any kind of non-norms onto the one particular girl they find themselves romantically interested in.
The Jackass Theorem is that if a guy is so full of himself, most everyone believes he's worth a great deal more than he is. And if such a great catch deigns to pay any attention to a girl, than the girl must be worth something more to him than the rest of the brainless chippies surrounding him. If he is perceived to only ever want sex and he can choose one girl out of a dozen that he'd rather have, then the apparent attachment is enough to convince her, if no one else, that he loves her.
Or so I am given to understand, using the data dumped upon me by girls who think I know the secret of Life, the Universe and Everything, and can at least offer them advice.
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Post by Blues on May 26, 2007 1:26:04 GMT -5
that sounds about right. I won't disagree....
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Post by Little Miss Odd on May 26, 2007 21:15:27 GMT -5
that sounds about right. I won't disagree.... Oh, please? It's not a discussion if no one disagrees. Or discusses... lol, what have we said about agreeing all the time? Although no here should want my pants, so I guess that makes it better.
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Post by Blues on May 27, 2007 0:21:47 GMT -5
I'd come up with something witty, but I'm too inebriated and tired.
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