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Post by Dr.Quack on Oct 12, 2003 15:40:49 GMT -5
Pro 54Con 54In summary, proposition 54 gets rid of the racial surveys on standardized forms.
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Post by Hans Lemurson on Oct 13, 2003 20:39:27 GMT -5
Eliminating racial questions on tests and surveys would blind us to the inequities between different races.
You can't fight injustice if you refuse to look.
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Post by Dr.Quack on Oct 17, 2003 18:19:38 GMT -5
Perhaps many injustices arise do to the promotion of racial boundries. Statistics separate people from each other.
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Post by Salome on Oct 17, 2003 19:18:27 GMT -5
speaking for myself, i dont feel isolated by stats, and i'd rather have all the info
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Post by Dr.Quack on Oct 24, 2003 19:17:27 GMT -5
Actually, this brings up a rather interesting point.
People today are going out of their way to ensure awareness of certain things to the general population. Among these certain things are racism, sexism, other inequalities, and AIDS. Just think, we have AIDS awareness week, a Black History Month (as well as excessive English literature read in the classroom revolving around oppressed minorities), and Gay Pride parades, as well as special rights clubs. Now, of course it is good that the population is aware of issues and injustices such as these...
...yet there is a fine line that one has to be careful not to cross. If awareness is forced upon the population too much, they might begin to loathe the subjects of the awareness.
This does happen! For instance, Soviet School Boys learned so much about Vladimir Lenin, they began to make jokes about him and loathe his name. I know many peers that dislike homosexuals BECAUSE of their grotesque parades, whereas they would feel indifferent to them otherwise. This is just an interesting point I'd like to make. There is a fine line between making the public aware, and overdoing it.
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Post by Hans Lemurson on Oct 26, 2003 1:09:31 GMT -5
That's true, and I have been taken aback on occasions by some over-the top demonstrations, but these things exist precisely because they are largely ignored, and it's easy to hate people you know nothing about.
But when awareness has been achieved then what should happen? And how do you know whether it has been achieved?
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Post by Dr.Quack on Nov 6, 2003 14:16:52 GMT -5
When we talk about awareness, what exactly is "awareness"? Just simply having knowledge that certain people exist? Or understanding why they exist? Or what?
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Post by Monolith on Nov 6, 2003 17:07:09 GMT -5
I think it's silly to even propose such a thing. Society is too obsessed with the idea that people are all exactly the same no matter what color they are and that anyone who says otherwise is a racist. There are certain mental and physical differences between race, though none is really superior. Also, if I see some eskimo guy, this is just an example, I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with eskimos, break into my house and he's the only eskimo in town, then I want to be able to say that to the police and have them be able to use this to help bring him in. That's my two cents.
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Post by geneva on Nov 7, 2003 22:29:08 GMT -5
soem how i don't think that they could make a law that would deny a victim of a criminal action to not describe the perpatrator by race...
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Post by Monolith on Nov 8, 2003 1:27:11 GMT -5
What I mean is some legal documents include race, and if this was not allowed, it would result in probably sorting through a LOT of pictures. Whatever the case, this is just a random example, and I'm sure that there are better examples but I'm not gonna think of them 'cause I'm lazy, even if it means losing the argument.
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Post by geneva on Nov 14, 2003 21:06:50 GMT -5
well i sincerely hope that i didn't cause this arguement to go either way... i was just merely saying what comes to mind. on the actual issue i don't really care...
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