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Post by dietspam16 on Dec 5, 2005 1:42:59 GMT -5
Yah I thought of pointing out the serious lack of invention between 400AD AND 1400.
The vatican has a cheif astronomer?
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Post by Monolith on Dec 5, 2005 2:40:33 GMT -5
Hey, for a while the TV could tell your future in Tarrot cards, and people believed it! What was that lady's name? Madam something...
Anyway, religion to me seems less like a for of science and more like a form of ethics. Ethics are the resposibility of one's parents, peers, and one's innate feelings, and I don't think think school should weigh too heavily in this. Otherwise, we end up with manufatured personalities created by the government. Keep ethics out of school and school out of ethics.
Not saying it's bad ethics of course, but it gives diversity one more stab in the chest.
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Post by dietspam16 on Dec 5, 2005 13:09:54 GMT -5
And I just finished the chapter on ethics in my textbook...
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Post by Monolith on Dec 5, 2005 19:39:01 GMT -5
It's one thing in college where you get to choose both if you want to attend as well as your classes, not to mention the fact that there's an actual philosophy class. It's a matter of imprinting it into the minds of young children versus young adults who have (idealy) had a chance to think for themselves and develope their own opinions.
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Post by Evilduck on Dec 5, 2005 21:36:51 GMT -5
I disagree with you about the school not having to teach ethics. I think that it should teach students ethical behavior by setting examples; such as integrating different races, accepting all students, and having teachers and staff be ethical.
Kids spend almost half of their day at school, so they are greatly influenced by what goes on there.
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Post by Random on Dec 6, 2005 0:06:16 GMT -5
i don't think schools should need to teach basic ethics or anything else related to how to live and succeed (stuff like how to work hard on things, how to be polite/nice, act appropriately), schools should only be teaching hard knowledge such as math, language, science, and also advanced ethics and psychology and stuff like that
i think those soft skills that i mentioned first (basic ethics, being polite, etc. . .) are the responsibility of the parent and over time have been left to schools because of incompetent parenting
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Post by Arachis on Dec 6, 2005 0:58:48 GMT -5
I think thats probably partially true, but I dont think that school shouldnt teach the "soft skills either". You see, in many ways, school is a bigger influence on peoples lives at an early age than their parents. Its also a form of "baby sitting" for the parents. Those parents who do have the time to spend watching over their children and teaching them ethics and such usually home school the children. Now, having the school teach ethics doesnt mean that their should be a course on politeness, it just means that the people at school should set the example. If a bully at school goes punished, thats because the school is teaching the kids ethics through example. be a bad kid and youll get into trouble. I dont think that the school should let the bully go unpunished, nor actually subject him to proper adult law (fine him and send him to jail for stealing a kids lunch, a misdemeanor). In reality I dont think theirs any feasible way for a school not to teach ethics and behavior even if they should.
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Post by Random on Dec 6, 2005 1:02:28 GMT -5
yea but that bully wouldn't exist if parents taught proper ethics in the first place, the example is flawed
and if someone doesn't have time to take proper care of their children, THEY SHOULDN'T'VE FUCKING HAD KIDS!!
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Post by Monolith on Dec 6, 2005 1:33:52 GMT -5
Usually home school their kids if they have time? Uh, not anywhere I've been. Most people who school their kids either have children with special needs or are dissatisfied with public education. It requires more than time, and makes it hard for a child to make new friends.
What you say is right though. I'm not saying don't have rules, just don't teach the students a strict code of moral rights and wrongs. Give them good examples, a good environment, and give them guidelines. Punish the bullies, but don't tell them there's only one way it's ok to behave, tell them what they're doing is wrong and let them choose the rest.
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Post by Arachis on Dec 6, 2005 9:52:01 GMT -5
Actually bullys could exist, even if the parents were doing a great job. And its hardly realistic to expect everyone to be the perfect parent.
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Post by BlueDolphin on Dec 6, 2005 12:00:11 GMT -5
But surely it would be better the more there are right?
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Post by Random on Dec 6, 2005 12:56:41 GMT -5
did i say perfect? we could start by getting parents to stop any molestation, physical abuse or other sexual abuse of their kids, that'd be nice
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Post by Arachis on Dec 7, 2005 2:04:06 GMT -5
and doing that would eradicate bullying in school?
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Post by Random on Dec 7, 2005 2:07:36 GMT -5
no, actually being a good parent would
thats just not being the worst parent
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Post by BlueDolphin on Dec 7, 2005 14:10:08 GMT -5
It would eradicate some bullying as well as future crime and social problems. It would pay off since these things tend to impede society and school.
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