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Post by dietspam16 on Dec 1, 2006 23:48:59 GMT -5
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Post by Random on Dec 2, 2006 3:03:02 GMT -5
I'm not sure on the specifics but I think the government would just then have to block access to the proxy server's IP.
btw, this whole proxy server thing isn't very hard to do as far as I know.
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Post by Arachis on Dec 4, 2006 18:00:24 GMT -5
Yeah.. but that would mean blocking the ip of each individual who sets up a psiphon server, and if the number of people who do so gets to even 10,000 or more it might not be worth chinas time and effort. Furthermore they'd have to discover which IP's are setting themselves up as proxies and the problem is even more complicated if they rotate IP addresses.
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Post by Evilduck on Dec 4, 2006 18:15:09 GMT -5
They could just ban all foreign IP adresses.
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Post by Arachis on Dec 4, 2006 19:40:38 GMT -5
that would be the same as banning the internet.
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Post by Evilduck on Dec 4, 2006 20:20:27 GMT -5
No, that would be banning a large portion of it. And who said they cannot ban the internet altogether?
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Post by Monolith on Dec 4, 2006 20:57:29 GMT -5
YOU CNNOT STOP TEH INTERNETS!!!!11!!11!1
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Post by Random on Dec 4, 2006 21:15:00 GMT -5
They could just ban all foreign IP adresses. I don't think this is really how it works. . . . I'm not too clear on the specifics though
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Post by Arachis on Dec 4, 2006 23:40:20 GMT -5
blocking all foreign IP's would be the same as banning the internet. China doesnt have much in the way of internet media or apps and even if it did, it would still be considered banning the internet since then China would become one large intra net. internet implies connected to THE global internet that everyone accesses.
Theres nothing stopping china from banning the internet but something called a concience political pressure. The PRC doesnt only wants to be fascist not look fascist. Actually most likely the reason that they allow the internet is because of confusion, lack of knowledge and advice from foreigners.
And yes JP that really is how it works. The chinese internet is routed through The Great Firewall of China, so that the chinese government can block any internet site at any time.
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Post by dietspam16 on Dec 5, 2006 13:11:00 GMT -5
That is worstest pun ever Ali, kudos. And thank you for your arguements.
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Post by Random on Dec 5, 2006 16:52:44 GMT -5
blocking all foreign IP's would be the same as banning the internet. China doesnt have much in the way of internet media or apps and even if it did, it would still be considered banning the internet since then China would become one large intra net. internet implies connected to THE global internet that everyone accesses. Theres nothing stopping china from banning the internet but something called a concience political pressure. The PRC doesnt only wants to be fascist not look fascist. Actually most likely the reason that they allow the internet is because of confusion, lack of knowledge and advice from foreigners. And yes JP that really is how it works. The chinese internet is routed through The Great Firewall of China, so that the chinese government can block any internet site at any time. what I meant in saying that is that you can't just look at an IP address and then say "oh, this is from the US". I think what they do is more along the lines of what colleges do; they enable specific IPs that have been registered with them by their citizens
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Post by Evilduck on Dec 5, 2006 19:32:08 GMT -5
Why can't you look at an IP and tell what country it's from? I don't know anything about IPs really, but I've seen websites that do that. www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm
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Post by Arachis on Dec 5, 2006 21:04:53 GMT -5
Im surprised that I actually know more about this than JP (him being a more expert networker than myself) but yes you can tell which country an ip is from.
First off, even if you didnt know where the ip address was located, a simple ping would show you the general area in which an ip is located (since the ping would have to go through certain routing stations that would allow you to pinpoint the location.) Even if that werent the case, IP addresses are assigned by Regional Internet Registrys (one for each continent) to various regions, and then assigned in each region by the telecom companies that manage the internet, so that you could also at least accurately find someones country in that way.
Finally all of that is irellevent, since even if that werent the case all of the chinese internet (regulated by chinese telecom which is regulated by the government) could be shut off from the rest of the world just by adding some code to the national firewall (and redistributing that code at all the access points, which is probably done automatically now anyway, via the Golden Shield project)
As I said last time, the chinese government chose to open up the internet and as such cannot go and ban every single foreign ip address without banning the whole internet, thus allowing schemes like Psiphon to work (until the chinese government is able to figure out through some obscure data mining technique which ip adresses are setting themselves up as proxy servers.)
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Post by Evilduck on Dec 5, 2006 22:09:20 GMT -5
I wouldn't call psyphon a scheme... They are just trying to help the free flow of information.
Hopefully in the near future that will not be necessary. China's society might begin to value free speech more due to their interactions with other countries/cultures. This project will help by providing more such interactions.
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Post by Arachis on Dec 6, 2006 6:51:06 GMT -5
I didnt mean to call Psiphon a scheme, I meant that tricks/hacks/shortcuts/what psiphon does, will be possible.
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