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Post by Dr.Quack on Oct 2, 2003 0:02:47 GMT -5
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Post by musicalbabe on Oct 4, 2003 21:20:43 GMT -5
that was a very interesting article. i see both sides of the argument. of course the nazi song and the use of a nazi flag would be offending to everyone, especially on a jewish holiday! i also see that they were not using the flag and song to support hitler in any way, and it was for historical purposes. i think that the band director or drill coreographer or whoever should have considered that his historical references could be offending and inappropriate. i also think that the protesters could have considered the fact that it was a historical field show, and not simply assumed that they were supporting the holocaust. it's an interesting subject. i guess i'm mainly surprised that the band itself didn't have any objections to it, and that the director(s) didn't consider that it could cause controversy. okay i'm done. ;D
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Post by BlueDolphin on Oct 4, 2003 22:51:44 GMT -5
I think that the Nazi Flag part was pushing the edges of appropriateness. Even though it was done for a historical purpose, it seems the flag waving would be unnecessary and a bit offensive at the end of the music.
But yet, I also think that the booing and targeting of the coaches was uncalled for. There is no reason to resort to such things when there is a calmer way of complaining about the event. The violence seemed to be impulsive and not productive as someone might get hurt.
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Post by Archagon on Oct 4, 2003 22:57:43 GMT -5
They were both wrong.
But what does waving a nazi flag around and playing their anthem commemorate?!
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Post by Dr.Quack on Oct 12, 2003 15:57:30 GMT -5
It is the duty of any artist to deliver, when accomplishing a work with a certain theme, the most accurate depiction of the theme. You can't play a show commemorating WWII, and leave out Nazi Germany. And the audience should have realized that they were doing a historical onlook.
I'll have to say, those audience members must have been pretty stupid to take the show that seriously as to believe that the showing of a Nazi flag would have any influence on the minds of young people, or had the intention of bringing back fascist ideals. Remember, we live in America: our national values are pretty much set in stone.
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Post by geneva on Oct 12, 2003 17:49:55 GMT -5
set in stone? funny how much people disagre over the simplest issues in our country...
pro-choice? pro-life? welfare? education?
so many disagreements for a set of national values that are so "solid"
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Post by Dr.Quack on Oct 12, 2003 18:58:52 GMT -5
You see, the fact that there are so many disagreements about everything in our country is, in itself, a value. In reference to the Nazi marching band, it would be benign to think that someone would try to turn America into a nazi nation, which would only have one set of values, whereas the Americans value not having common values so strongly, that anyone attempting to do such thing would be a fool, and no one would need to take him or her seriously anyway.
Our common value is not having common values, for many and most Americans. ;D
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Post by geneva on Oct 12, 2003 20:27:09 GMT -5
nice try... you still lose. : P
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Post by Hans Lemurson on Oct 13, 2003 20:10:06 GMT -5
The true value of being an American is that you can be an individual, just like everyone else.
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Post by Dr.Quack on Oct 17, 2003 18:18:09 GMT -5
Precisely! (although how Ironic that truly is)
"Americans" value being individuals so much, and naziism has gained such a negative conotation in today's society that nobody in there right mind should assume someone is trying to turn the people into nazi's. Even if someone were, they shouldn't make a big deal about it for they wouldn't get very far.
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Post by Hans Lemurson on Nov 11, 2003 4:07:46 GMT -5
But the reason naziism doesn't stand much of a chance in the U.S. is because of the overwhelmingly negative reaction of the general public.
You can't tell people that they are overreacting because naziism won't hold in the US, because the reason it won't hold is because of the overraction.
It's a strange cause and effect loop.
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Post by geneva on Nov 14, 2003 21:10:45 GMT -5
you can still tell them that.... trying to placate someone who is over reacting to something only makes the overall reaction larger. It's not like people can un-react to somehting
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