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Post by Antid on Apr 6, 2005 1:22:44 GMT -5
I don't think Nick is a good mod. Let's go back to the old system where mods don't have to rotate.
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Post by Monolith on Apr 6, 2005 17:38:48 GMT -5
Suck it up already. Just because you don't like me doesn't mean I'm a bad MOD. Someone complained to me about the city thread, and I responded, that's all. I'm sorry if I value the opinion of another member who actually posts on the rest of the forum rather than one who only posts in a single thread. I may not like it, but I wouldn't have taken any action if the individual, who may make their name known if they wish, hadn't said anything. You weren't complaining before, but now that your precious little thread has been intruded upon you start acting like a jerk.
As for Alexie, he stopped running all because people like you were complaining about the same thing you're accusing me of, bad modship, so he doesn't even run for modship anymore. If someone wants me to stop being mod, the Pavel is welcome to demote me. If it will get you to leave me alone then it will be well worth it. I hope you're happy, because you've certainly succeded in making me pretty damn angry.
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Post by Antid on Apr 6, 2005 20:26:04 GMT -5
I did not accuse Alexei. In fact, I was against this new policy from the start.
And this isn't specifically because of the City Game. It's because you make offensive posts and then try to justify yourself. Not cool.
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Post by Monolith on Apr 6, 2005 20:39:25 GMT -5
I did not accuse Alexei. In fact, I was against this new policy from the start. DID YOU READ WHAT I WROTE!!! Alexie was overthrown BECAUSE he was altering other people's posts and was accused of being a tyrant in the exact same way you're accusing me! I never said YOU did! Changing whoever is mod won't change my posting habbits one bit either. I haven't offended anyone other than you, Andrew (who was posting innapropriate stuff), and Ali, who would rather have anarchy. Why is it that I delete one useless, pointless post and now you're furious?
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Post by Antid on Apr 6, 2005 21:19:34 GMT -5
No, YOU didn't understand. I was NOT one of the people complaining about Alexei's modship, which you claimed I was. Of course it's a shame that your posting habits won't change, but that's nothing to be proud of, is it now? Moreover, as a mod, you are abusing your powers by voluntarily offending anyone. And as I am saying for the umpteenth time, I don't care about that post you deleted. It very well could be that you had a good reason to do so. What I'm pissed about is your attitude and the way you talk to people. I'm sorry if I value the opinion of another member who actually posts on the rest of the forum rather than one who only posts in a single thread. and btw, that's discrimination right there.
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Post by Monolith on Apr 6, 2005 22:27:14 GMT -5
As for Alexie, he stopped running all because people like you were complaining about the same thing you're accusing me of, bad modship, so he doesn't even run for modship anymore. That's what I wrote. Saying you did do something and comparing what you did and something else are quite different. I'm sorry if you have a problem with the fact that I don't like the city game, perhaps I should have added it to my list of qualifications when I ran for mod (I am not reffering to deleting the post, as I have misunderstood what you're saying, but this thread is directly related to that thread). It hasn't effected my moderation, nor has anything else. I am not voluntarily offending anyone. If you have a problem with my sense of humor, then that's one thing, I admit that I am often mean to Ali, but I don't mean it. I can't see what else I've done, I have every right to have an opinion, and considdering that neither the two other moderators nor the admin have ever edited any of my posts, and that none of the other members have complained to me either, I can't see where your argument is coming from. I haven't moderated anything on this thread, nor any other thread to just because I didn't like what someone else was saying, so your argument has nothing to do with me being a mod, you are directly attacking me, and quite frankly I don't like it. You have a right to disagree, but that doesn't mean that you can simply attack me. As for my discrimination, I admit, I do discriminate somewhat. I watch those who have made innapropriate postings in the past more carefully, and this has proved itself correct as they have posted other things that required moderation, but so does just about every single government and institution in the world. My reasoning with the point that you brought up is that, as you only seem to care about one thread, that your experience is limited or biased towards it. A member who actively participates in the rest of the forum would provide a better opinion on how to make the forum a more enjoyable and productive environment. I ask you this: would you request the opinion of someone who makes shoes their opinion on how to better the farming industry?
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Post by Arachis on Apr 6, 2005 23:26:12 GMT -5
Since my name was mentioned numerous times, and I have had quarrels with nick in the past, I would like to try and settle this argument (at least insofar as it concerns me) right now. I know that it will be impossible to prevent Dmitry from expressing his point of view, and as a result impossible to prevent nick from defending his mod ship title so I will not attempt to do either. What I will do is to clarify my opinions on some of these issues.
First of all, I was mentioned as someone who was offended by nick. Thats not true. I disagree with nicks policys but Im not offended by him. Secondly, Nick refferred to his making fun of me as part of his humour and apologized. You didnt need to. Personally I dont really mind, and I find it amusing enough to realize that its not meant personally.
Furthermore, on the issue of Anarchy, I am not necessarily for Anarchy, but I was simply bringing up the point that with a few exceptions, mods never do anything, and very little needs to be done by them so that Anarchy would almost change very little. As an example, name anything that either Alex Chan or Marla have done in this past term. Sure, they work behind the scenes (actually it would be nice if they advertised any changes they are going to make or have made.... Nick has been good about this) but it really seems as though they do absolutely nothing. My point is that the forum is almost working by anarchy because none of the people elected mod do anything.
Ok. Now to tackle the big problems. As far as Excessive moderating goes, I do have to take Dmitrys side and say that many of the ways in which Nick moderates borders on totalitarian, and is definately conservative. I disagree with the degree to which he deletes posts mainly, even if it is spam because I disagree with that in most cases. I simply dislike the fact that it is deleted simply on the basis of one persons opinion. I think that before it is deleted the moderator ought to PM the person who posted it warning them and give them a chance to explain themselves first.
Next on the list is valueing different people more than others. Now, I would agree with dmitry in some respects here as well. In my opinion its unfair to make another person unhappy for another persons pleasure to put it in simplest terms. I dont think that you have a right to immediatly and arbitrarily take action against the city board thread simply because another member doesnt like it. Even if a majority doesnt like it, because then it is eliminating the rights of any minority.
As far as discrimination goes, I agree completely with Nick. Discriminating is a good and useful tool when used properly. But you cant let it get in the way of changing your predjudices and opinions, use it only to make decisions.
As far as opinion goes again Nick is right. Dmitry you have to realize that there is a difference between what Nick says and what he does. Though he may say constantly that he hates the City thread (and he has a right to do this much though you might dislike it) he has really done very little against it. He constantly posts things about how he doesnt like what a certain person says and says it should probably be deleted but often enough he doesnt delete it simply because it wouldnt be fair to do so. I believe that in general Nick does do a good job in differentiating between his opinions and what a fair mod should do (though sometimes I believe he is a little too harsh but that is probably just Nicks opinion of fair).
As far as nicks moderating goes, I think that in general he does a good job and that he simply needs to learn to be a little less arbitrary in his judgements.
This has been another long discourse presented to you by AENARION
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Post by Monolith on Apr 7, 2005 16:37:16 GMT -5
I think Ali put it very well. It was not my intent to be excessively negative in the city thread, I perhaps acted a little too harshly too quickly. For this I appologize. The reason I sounded so annoyed in that thread was because I have been accused in the past of excessive moderation, on which I probably walk the line if not cross it. Nonetheless, it irritates me when people complain excessively. The previous moderator system was overthrown by the members themselves through democratic means, and has been tested many times by other members. I was also elected in that way, and members had already seen my tendencies toward immediate action. Whining because things aren't going your way will accomplish nothing, the masses have made their decision and simply because you don't enjoy how I run things is no reason to complain, and is certain not to accomplish anything.
I appreciate the way in which Ali has responded, and again appologize for the speed and harshness of my action. The city game will not be locked (Though I know I wrote this, it was not my intent, that was just my way of talking) but I will continue to delete unnecessary posts. I know it seems like I'm favoring one member, but I am not making an exception to the rules for them, simply enforcing them. The majority of the city game is not a problem, and though I don't like it, I will avoid unnecessary moderation and give warning before I delete such things in the furture. I am locking this thread as it serves no further purpose, nor am I willing to argue any further. It will just devolve into a flame war, if it hasn't already.
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