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Post by Antid on May 5, 2004 0:16:17 GMT -5
Just a little mood-setter.
Garden of blossoming dreams and illusions, Duping the wanderer, seeding confusion, Garden of Mockery, Garden of Trickery, Carpet of poppies, and towers of hickory, Sink in the super-packed shimmering specters, Shrink from the stupor-wracked, greedy prospectors, Savor the Garden of Dreams and illusions Labor no longer in dreary profusion.
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Post by Little Miss Odd on May 5, 2004 0:17:22 GMT -5
mood setter for what?
nice poem, by the way
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Post by Archagon on May 5, 2004 0:18:33 GMT -5
I really like it! Especially the rhyme of lines 3 and 4 - "-ickery" depicts the aura quite nicely.
It's always welcome to encounter rhymes. Freestyle can be perfected, but many, many poets nowadays don't even think about rhythm and beat anymore. As my music teacher keeps telling me, meter is the foundation of all creative works.
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Post by geneva on May 5, 2004 14:34:51 GMT -5
how can you apply meter to art...?
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Post by Archagon on May 5, 2004 16:34:12 GMT -5
ALL creativity submits to a single foundation with very explicit rules, which include the Golden Section, outlines, forms, composition, and other technical details which the masters discovered and utilized (hence they are remembered). Art includes repetition, pattern, and flow, which is its own version of rhyme and harmony, and without those it can't be considered art. Sure, you can make a bunch of scribbles on a piece of paper and CALL it art, but really it's just a mess in disguise.
Really, these baselines are quite interesting. I recommend that everyone interested in creativity of any kind look them up. They're an unchanging philosophy.
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Post by geneva on May 5, 2004 17:29:01 GMT -5
You could label everything down in the world like that, but I don't think you'd be right.
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Post by Archagon on May 5, 2004 19:49:48 GMT -5
Except I know what I'm talking about. I've studied this in-depth.
No, that's not convincing enough...
Look, just pick up a few good books on the subject (preferably written before the 90's) and read. The great masters - Bach, Da Vinci, Shakespeare, etc. knew this philosophy and are renown for using it in their pieces.
And people are ignorant of this, or refuse to believe it. That's why modern art and creativity in general is suffering so much - everyone focuses not on the ABSTRACT sides of art, music, writing, etc. but on general "skill-development" technique and emotional expression.
And lots of people just rush right into it without even studying technique. Sure, they might get a few or even a lot of good works done, but this happens only because of blind luck or because the person rediscovers the concepts I mentioned earlier.
A lot of creativity is simply MATH. If you know all your forumals, however, you can utilize them along with your imagination to peak never-before-seen mountains. Baroque music demonstrates this perfectly - it's simply a universal equation. There are VOLUMES written dedicated to the code of the Fugue and Prelude!
The key here is awareness. Once you realize what's going on, you can use the information you have to further expand the theory of creativity and draw it to new places. Without it, however, you're just groping in the dark through your instincts and trying to find beauty in chaos.
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Post by Antid on May 5, 2004 20:57:37 GMT -5
Roger that!
What I really like about your poetry, Alexei, is that you're balanced in terms of structure and freeverse - you recognize the necessity for both, and you keep balance between the two. Here you're defending structure, but on another thread I remember you advocating freedom of style. I like how you don't side entirely with either extreme.
Indeed, it doesn't do any good when it is too hot or too cold, too structured or too chaotic, too strict or too liberal, too spicy or too bland, too loud or too quiet, too fluid or too discordant. There has to be balance between everything, and that is what I believe makes things enjoyable.
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Post by Haku on May 5, 2004 22:00:22 GMT -5
wow! i really like it. especially the -ickory part....so cool!
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Post by Archagon on May 5, 2004 22:55:41 GMT -5
Roger that! What I really like about your poetry, Alexei, is that you're balanced in terms of structure and freeverse - you recognize the necessity for both, and you keep balance between the two. Here you're defending structure, but on another thread I remember you advocating freedom of style. I like how you don't side entirely with either extreme. Indeed, it doesn't do any good when it is too hot or too cold, too structured or too chaotic, too strict or too liberal, too spicy or too bland, too loud or too quiet, too fluid or too discordant. There has to be balance between everything, and that is what I believe makes things enjoyable. Thanks My opinions on such matters are constantly shifting, thanks in great part to my music teacher, who really KNOWS his music. It is he who taught me to think deeply and beyond the obvious and helped make something out of me. I used to think that the creative arts were pure emotion until he came along, and it was then that I realised that pure emotion is too...unstructured to be fully enjoyed by itself. Think of a flowing river - there is plenty of water to go around, but you must cup it in order to bring it to your mouth.
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Post by geneva on May 5, 2004 22:58:26 GMT -5
I'm not saying your WRONG, in fact for the most part you are netirely right but you are wrong to insist it applies to every situation
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Post by Archagon on May 5, 2004 23:02:52 GMT -5
I'm saying it applies to every CREATIVE situation. You're free to provide counterexamples, though. I'm always willing to consider a worthy arguement.
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Post by A Shy Cat on May 6, 2004 17:25:21 GMT -5
it's good.... but to me it sounds forced... sorry but that is how i feel about it... but i like what it says within it ^^;;;
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Post by geneva on May 6, 2004 22:53:50 GMT -5
I'm saying it applies to every CREATIVE situation. You're free to provide counterexamples, though. I'm always willing to consider a worthy arguement. i'll argue with you about it when you get on aim for once. punk.
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Post by Antid on May 7, 2004 18:35:00 GMT -5
it's good.... but to me it sounds forced... sorry but that is how i feel about it... but i like what it says within it ^^;;; Thank you, but this was in no way forced. If it were forced, the poem would make more sense but be less phonetically pleasing. This poem doesn't make sense, and I didn't intend it to - I wrote it on a spur. I sacrificed meaning for sound and abstract effect - it's a deviation from the way I usually write.
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