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Post by Monolith on Mar 20, 2007 19:12:08 GMT -5
Okay, so it's more Capcom deciding to abandon a sinking ship, but it was announced recently that Devil May Cry 4 will be coming to BOTH the PS3 AND the 360. That leaves the PS3 with FFXIII and Heavenly Sword as its only real pulls. I'm very happy, Capcom just saved me $600. xbox360.gamespy.com/xbox-360/devil-may-cry-4/774108p1.html
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Post by Blues on Mar 20, 2007 21:30:51 GMT -5
WOOOO CAPCOM YEAAAAHH
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Post by Random on Mar 20, 2007 22:00:43 GMT -5
fucking useless search engines.
I was googling this earlier today and all the sites at the top were that it was just a rumor and then a statement from Capcom saying "Capcom does not comment on rumors. Devil May Cry 4 is exclusive to PS3. No other announcements have been made."
Either way, I'm happy that sony is taking it in the ass. They deserve it. The only part I don't like is that microsoft is reaping the benefits, and I would think less of myself if I caved and picked up a 360.
Oh and it looks like you guys may've missed it.
"Capcom is committed to making its titles available to as wide an audience as possible, and has been building its technology base to meet that goal. This announcement means that PS3, Xbox 360 and PC owners worldwide will be able to experience the latest installment of one of Capcom's pillar franchises."
While the controls will probably give me a feel that I don't particularly like with the PC, I'm not gonna pick up another console over that. Maybe get an adapter to use my PS2 controller with my PC or something.
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Post by Arachis on Mar 21, 2007 0:51:48 GMT -5
yeah.. you can buy a cheap adaptor for like 20$ to hook up console controllers to your comp. Consoles are a dieing breed in my opinion.
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Post by Random on Mar 21, 2007 0:56:01 GMT -5
I agree that traditional ones are but not as a whole.
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Post by Monolith on Mar 21, 2007 2:05:02 GMT -5
yeah.. you can buy a cheap adaptor for like 20$ to hook up console controllers to your comp. Consoles are a dieing breed in my opinion. Yeah, and I'm gonna throw down a thousand bucks for a computer on par with a 360 instead of buying the console fo less than half the price. There's nothing to suggest that consoles are dying, Nintendo is still having problems keeping up with demand for the Wii and Microsoft isnt doing so bad despite its price. In response to JP, I'm not so much chearing for Microsoft as I am pointing and laughing at the idiocy that is Sony's arrogance.
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Post by Random on Mar 21, 2007 2:20:30 GMT -5
The problem with the price argument is the PC can do waaaaaaaaay more than any console can. Particularly school/work related things.
I know you weren't neccesarily happy that microsoft was getting the benefits from sony's downfall, just saying thats the only aspect of it I'm not happy about.
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Post by Arachis on Mar 21, 2007 4:36:42 GMT -5
nick: Consoles these days are pretty much subsidized, heavily controlled (against customization) computer systems. The Wii is unique in the console generation, of all of them its the most like an "electronic toy". That in my opinion is what seperates the two.
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Post by Random on Mar 21, 2007 5:12:58 GMT -5
I think you're really ignoring a ton about consoles. . .
I could describe my graphing calculator as a computer thats controlled against customization
as far as the subsidized bit goes, prove it. I think what you mean is the components are purchased by the people making the company for less than they would be sold for seperately, and if thats the case, its sort of a "no shit" thing. Of course they get 'em cheaper, once ATI or intel or whoever gets the deal for that graphics card/processor, its gonna be in all of those consoles, no one is going to ask for the computer without the processor so they can put one they bought thats more powerful in
They're dedicated gaming machines. They do not suffer from the kinds of technical problems that computers can and you don't have to worry about getting the right one so that you can play cool games. Lets face it, a lot of people don't know what RAM even is, let alone why they need a minimum of 512 megabytes of it to play a certain game on their PC. Or even what a megabyte is for that matter.
Its easier for them to go pick up an xbox 360 (and I'm only using that as an example because its the only viable traditional console in this generation) and then hook it up to their TV which they already know all about because its simple and somehow putting together a nice entertainment center and knowing all about its specs is more "cool" than similar knowledge about computers, probably summarily because you can watch football on a TV.
anyways, overall, consoles just require far less thought and effort, so they're much more agreeable with people who don't know much about computers.
oh and consoles absolutely spank PCs for in-person multiplayer, like parties.
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Post by Arachis on Mar 21, 2007 6:19:12 GMT -5
ignoring the part where the graphing calculator doesnt use computer parts, I guess you could. Lets see, an Xbox 360 (as an example) uses a hybrid celeron/Pentium 3 processor, a desktop Nvidia graphics card, a Western Digital Hard drive, a standard PC CD/DVD player, and standard USB ports. Then, to avoid it looking completely like a computer they completely disabled keyboard and mouse support, prevented tampered/modified xboxs from joining xbox live (which is just a shackled internet browser), and gave it a sleek black console-looking case. They are dedicated gaming machines, but any person with the right faq could do similar in windows, just by disabling most of the useless processes and making a few other tweaks. You're right though, its easier for someone to just buy an Xbox 360 than to build/buy a computer from dell, tweak windows and set it up, install the games and then finally play them. Of course, here is a guy who has developed a way to plug and play cd rom games on your computer, regardless of OS, so if you are into ease of use and uncomplicated stuff, I guess you really dont need that xbox 360. And for in-house multiplayer parties, consoles arent bad, since you know they usually have more than 1 controller and everything, but I think with the proper foresight I think people would agree that huge LAN parties are just as fun (just depends on what kind of games they like to play). Not to mention that computers running under say linux, are multi-user so that in the future, you might even have 1 computer with 5 screens serving up 5 different (or the same) games to different people.
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Post by Random on Mar 21, 2007 13:35:52 GMT -5
Lets see, an Xbox 360 (as an example) uses a hybrid celeron/Pentium 3 processor, a desktop Nvidia graphics card, a Western Digital Hard drive, a standard PC CD/DVD player, and standard USB ports. Then, to avoid it looking completely like a computer they completely disabled keyboard and mouse support, prevented tampered/modified xboxs from joining xbox live (which is just a shackled internet browser), and gave it a sleek black console-looking case. They are dedicated gaming machines, but any person with the right faq could do similar in windows, just by disabling most of the useless processes and making a few other tweaks. You're right though, its easier for someone to just buy an Xbox 360 than to build/buy a computer from dell, tweak windows and set it up, install the games and then finally play them. Of course, here is a guy who has developed a way to plug and play cd rom games on your computer, regardless of OS, so if you are into ease of use and uncomplicated stuff, I guess you really dont need that xbox 360. And for in-house multiplayer parties, consoles arent bad, since you know they usually have more than 1 controller and everything, but I think with the proper foresight I think people would agree that huge LAN parties are just as fun (just depends on what kind of games they like to play). Not to mention that computers running under say linux, are multi-user so that in the future, you might even have 1 computer with 5 screens serving up 5 different (or the same) games to different people. Alright, even in the first part this is made of fail. They didn't disable keyboard support. They probably didn't disable mouse support either, I don't know. Xbox live is nothing like a freaking browser, you use it to connect games online. Last I checked I used browsers for websites. Then, to top it off, guess what? The 360 isn't black. I don't think you have even seen a 360 before, let alone played it. Yea, sure theres a way for plug-and-play crap with PC games. I'm going to take a wild guess here and say people who aren't generally specifically looking for that in the first place are never going to find it until its packaged with pre-made computers, let alone even realize that it might be possible. You're completely missing the biggest part about the in-person multiplayer bit. I don't have to carry around my huge $4000 piece of equipment, that, mind you, its FAR more likely to be damaged easily than a console, plus a monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers, and cables. Regarding linux being able to make it so you can have multiple people playing the same game together on one system, thats great and all, but its the same issue I brought up before. Maybe 10% or less of the gamers out there actually know how to do that, and even when they do it there're probably loads of technical issues that'll be able to pop up.
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Post by Monolith on Mar 21, 2007 14:00:27 GMT -5
There's also no need for a special adapter to hook a console to a television. Again, a computer that can do as much as a console costs a hell of a lot more, yet my laptop which isn't anywhere near alienware can run all the apps I need for school with no problem. However, it can barely run the equivalent of a PS2 game without slowdown. Pretty much anyway you look at it, it's easier and cheaper to buy a console and a decent computer for other stuff.
Either way, this is irrelevant. You stated that consoles are a dying breed, yet sales are doing just fine, minus the PS3.
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Post by Arachis on Mar 21, 2007 17:25:53 GMT -5
I think you guys misunderstood what I said. Consoles are a dieing breed. As in, they are doing fine for now, Im talking about the future. Maybe even 10 years down the road. Id be pretty stupid to say that consoles are dieing now, when the Wii and Xbox 360 sales are doing so well.
And JP, before you start contradicting what I said just because you disagree, why dont you look it up? the Xbox 360 DID disable keyboard and mouse support. Theres no way youll be able to use either of those without heavily modding your xbox, even though it comes equipped with standard USB ports.
As far as browsers go I think you are taking what I said too literally, or I might not have made it clear enough. What I meant is that the Xbox 360 can connect to the internet (via xbox live (although youve got to pay $50 plus a monthly fee)) to play games and all (kind of like Steam, Battle.net or any other computer match-making system) but without heavily modding your xbox, you wont be able to browse the internet like a normal computer can, even though it should be feasible.
As far as consoles being cheaper, yes they are. I mentioned in my second post that consoles were subsidized, and hence cheaper. JP didnt understand at all what I meant so let me clarify. Some of the consoles are being sold at a loss, or if not a loss, a very small profit. This is because the real money console makers make, is off of each game. Each game sold on the console makes about 5-7$ for the console maker itself. Hence, console makers have the incentive to sell the consoles for cheap so they can get market share and make more money off of the games. Computers dont work that way, so computer manufacturers try and make more profit on the computer itself. However, when you buy a console, its really just a crippled computer anyway, so in the future, I think people will eventually just be buying computers and shifting away from consoles.
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Post by Random on Mar 21, 2007 17:45:32 GMT -5
And JP, before you start contradicting what I said just because you disagree, why dont you look it up? the Xbox 360 DID disable keyboard and mouse support. Theres no way youll be able to use either of those without heavily modding your xbox, even though it comes equipped with standard USB ports. epic fail. xboxelle.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!1pUP4M-J1d781v7Ac0Ta8FDw!176.entry why don't you try looking stuff up before stating them as fact. also I didn't really need to look it up considering that FFXI came out for the 360 and somehow people with 360s can (gasp!) communicate quickly through typing with something other than a controller As far as browsers go I think you are taking what I said too literally, or I might not have made it clear enough. What I meant is that the Xbox 360 can connect to the internet (via xbox live (although youve got to pay $50 plus a monthly fee)) to play games and all (kind of like Steam, Battle.net or any other computer match-making system) but without heavily modding your xbox, you wont be able to browse the internet like a normal computer can, even though it should be feasible. so basically your only point here is that you can't look at porn sites on your 360? the wii has opera, the 360 doesn't. no one is buying a game console specifically so they can do things online like e-mail and surfing. theres probably a handful of people in the world who have a 360, internet, and no computer. Some of the consoles are being sold at a loss, or if not a loss, a very small profit. This is because the real money console makers make, is off of each game. Each game sold on the console makes about 5-7$ for the console maker itself. Hence, console makers have the incentive to sell the consoles for cheap so they can get market share and make more money off of the games. Computers dont work that way, so computer manufacturers try and make more profit on the computer itself. However, when you buy a console, its really just a crippled computer anyway, so in the future, I think people will eventually just be buying computers and shifting away from consoles. firstly, you're horribly misusing the term "subsidized", and secondly a console is not basically just a crippled computer. the fact that they share some components does not make them the same thing. portability, simplicity, and consistency in performance keep consoles alive. to destroy the demand for consoles you would have to take at least one of those away, and particularly portability wouldn't be enough on its own. making computers more simple as far as hardware and software goes would just limit the ways a computer can be used to more or less turn it into a console. consistency. . .well, thats pretty much impossible simply due to the fact that there're so many programs constantly interacting on computers that you can't really guarantee that they're all going to work fine together without extreme regulation which would summarily destroy a large amount of utility that computers have.
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Post by Arachis on Mar 21, 2007 19:16:27 GMT -5
And JP, before you start contradicting what I said just because you disagree, why dont you look it up? the Xbox 360 DID disable keyboard and mouse support. Theres no way youll be able to use either of those without heavily modding your xbox, even though it comes equipped with standard USB ports. epic fail. xboxelle.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!1pUP4M-J1d781v7Ac0Ta8FDw!176.entry why don't you try looking stuff up before stating them as fact. Did you even read your article? so you can use the keyboard only when you want to do things like "type in your name" or "type messages" you cant use it to navigate, or to control your games or even to modify settings. Sure you can plug a keyboard in, but in 99% of the cases, its not going to do anything for you. My point was that consoles were crippled computers. Your arguments in favor of consoles are portability, simplicity and consistency of performance. I think that out of all of those, consistency of performance is the only one with a leg to stand on. Personally I dont think that consoles are really portable. They are large and bulky, and dont fit well into backpacks. from experience, they are also heavy and you have to carry 2 more bags with controllers power supplies and games along with them not to mention either needing a spare tv, or having to bring one of those as well. Laptops are much more portable than consoles and all you need is a mouse, and maybe a charger and a game, although you could run off of batteries and a burned game. Regardless of how I put it, I dont think theres really any contest between the two. As far as simplicity goes, I would like to point back to the previous article I linked to, where Eli Tomlinson is selling his idea of a plug and play game cd. While his idea isnt widely accepted yet, if the future goes his way, thats one less pillar to support consoles. Leaving only consistency. Which, as computers get more and more powerful, really should become less of an issue anyway.
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