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Post by musicalbabe on Apr 25, 2004 20:33:57 GMT -5
Now this is quite a broad topic. A few clarifications:
-By dreams, I mean what you see when you sleep, not general aspirations or goals.
-I'm looking to discuss why we dream what we dream, and how the reality in our life affects what and who we see in our dreams.
ex. I had a dream about my math teacher dying. (this is fictional.) Is this because I wish for this to happen, I fear for her safety, something that happened the other day provoked this train of thought...etc.
Feel free to share dreams and then try to interperet them, or speak generally. I'm curious to see if you think that the people/events in our dreams are purely continuations of thoughts about our conscious lives or are also governed by 'other powers', or have inner meanings and whatnot.
Please reply!! I'd love to know your thoughts on the subject!
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Post by BlueDolphin on Apr 25, 2004 21:30:07 GMT -5
I think that dreams are comprised of subjects that are met in life. For me at least, there seems to be little coherence in my dreams. They are just a random smattering of stuff that I see and feel during the day. I think in these dreams, the mind might be cleaning itself out and the images are stuff on the way to long term storage or the recycling bin.
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Post by Arachis on Apr 25, 2004 21:50:12 GMT -5
Dreams is essentially the thought process of the subconcious mind. As a result, all dreams mean something... When you remember a dream, it is usually something you are thinking about conciously too, and your subconsious mind is merely analysing it in a different way.
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Post by musicalbabe on Apr 25, 2004 21:54:47 GMT -5
Interesting...I hadn't thought of the 'cleaning out the extra memory' idea before. It seems to me like the majority of the time I consciously dream, it's when I'm very nearly awake-- enough so that I can somewhat control the dreams, thus turning it into more of a fantasy/daydream, what I wish I could/would do situation. But then again, I find myself doing things that I would NEVER do in real life, and interacting with people in ways I wouldn't find sensible in reality.
Another question: Do you ever REALLY wish for a dream (like, say, a fantasy date with someone, or maybe winning a sports game or acing a test) and think about it really hard as you're falling asleep, but never dream of it?? That's frustrating, especially when you know whatever it is would never happen in real life but you want for it to happen so badly. *sigh*
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Post by Arachis on Apr 25, 2004 21:58:08 GMT -5
well sort of... When I am going to bed, sometimes I start to conciously dream of something in order to occupy my mind and help me sleep. But then by the time I sleep, I never end up dreaming it. However, I dont really care, since it served its purpose and got me to sleep.
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Post by KillinKrillan on Apr 25, 2004 21:58:47 GMT -5
The more you want something, the less likely you are go get it depending on what it is. Just let loose and have whatever will happen, happen.
By the way, there is already a thread similar to this one in existance.
paveltc.proboards12.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1064963559
It dosen't go much into the thought part, just people posting dreams and others trying to interpret them and such. I will in fact probably revive that thread tomorrow.
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Post by musicalbabe on Apr 25, 2004 21:58:59 GMT -5
Dreams is essentially the thought process of the subconcious mind. As a result, all dreams mean something... When you remember a dream, it is usually something you are thinking about conciously too, and your subconsious mind is merely analysing it in a different way. "Dreams is..." I think mistakes like these are what people were talking about on the other thread. Haha, don't worry, I won't count it against you. Analysing it in a different way...I like that.
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Post by Antid on Apr 25, 2004 22:07:40 GMT -5
I barely ever have dreams.
...in fact, if I don't go do my Bio homework NOW, I'll be proving my point in a very unpleasant way.
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Post by musicalbabe on Apr 25, 2004 22:14:20 GMT -5
yeah well, that's your fault. personally, i can't see myself going through another year in mrs. williams' class. one is plenty for me. her ridiculous extra credit IS nice, though...i doubt it's as nice for the AP class...
mods, don't kill me for going off topic for just a second, but: does mrs. bishop help with the AP class? I LOVE HER. she can actually TEACH. ishe's a miracle after mrs. williams...
but back to dreams...i can't say that i consciously dream all that often either...i tend to go through weeks of heavy dreaming and then none at all...
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Post by Arachis on Apr 25, 2004 22:17:00 GMT -5
yeah... it all depends on your sleeping patterns.
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Post by Archagon on Apr 25, 2004 22:47:08 GMT -5
Every normal person dreams; however, many forget their nighttime excursions by morning. So don't say that you "don't dream" - you do, but your dream recall needs work.
For me, often times dreams are triggered by topics that I've focused on throughout the day. Also, many feature images or scenes from my life. The majority of my dreams, however, comprise of powerful emotions and scenes that bring them about, as well as surrealism. I have also managed to go lucid in a few dreams, but the awareness in them was not powerful enough to last for more than a few seconds.
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Post by Antid on Apr 25, 2004 23:31:16 GMT -5
yeah well, that's your fault. personally, i can't see myself going through another year in mrs. williams' class. one is plenty for me. her ridiculous extra credit IS nice, though...i doubt it's as nice for the AP class... mods, don't kill me for going off topic for just a second, but: does mrs. bishop help with the AP class? I LOVE HER. she can actually TEACH. ishe's a miracle after mrs. williams... but back to dreams...i can't say that i consciously dream all that often either...i tend to go through weeks of heavy dreaming and then none at all... Mrs. Bishop occasionally helps teach the AP class, and I think that she will be more active soon - Mrs. Williams is tutoring her to become a teacher. You don't like Mrs. Williams? I think she's a good teacher. But maybe that's because I'm in Bio AP. She is MUCH easier on her AP class than on the regular ones. I mean, you get tons of work, but you get to work at your own pace - she gives you the work a month in advance, basically. And she still gives some extra credit - but not as blatantly easy as the green slips. Those are just freebies. You actually have to work in her class, but the tests are significantly easier in my opinion. Maybe that's just me, though. And I've heard that stuff about "everybody having dreams" already. It isn't exactly true. Dreams occur only during rREM sleep waves, and some peoples' sleep is either too shallow or too deep (mine is too deep) for dreams. That is why some people aren't rested even after 10 hours of sleep, while others feel refreshed after a mere 5. Remembering dreams is a totally different matter. The point is that some people actually DON'T dream, or they dream very rarely.
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Post by Archagon on Apr 25, 2004 23:45:49 GMT -5
Ah, foiled again.
I'm not very well versed in dreaming and similar sciences, but could this be resulting from lack of sleep? After all, the first state you recover once your hours are back to normal is deep (I think).
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Post by musicalbabe on Apr 26, 2004 17:27:30 GMT -5
I think I'm going to have to use my most over-used word again: interesting. I knew about how the type of sleep effected the state of dreams, but I did not know that some people very rarely dream consistently. (Right, that didn't make sense, but I knew what I was trying to say. Ha.)
So then the 15 dreams per night is just an average?? Well obviously, I guess it just isn't as accurate as we all took it to be before we were enlightened. lol.
AHHH SADIES PICTURES ARE SOOO CUTE!
ok i'm done now. carry on.
I really think that we need to start a philosophies club or something. I REALLY enjoy a good, intellectual conversation. ;D
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Post by Arachis on Apr 26, 2004 18:16:12 GMT -5
Dreams Vs Realty eh.... Well to some people the American Dream is to own a huge mansion in Lost Altos Hills, Long Island, or even Linden Hills. However, very rarely do they acheive those dreams, since Realty and real estate prices have always remained too high in those areas. This creates a struggle where the poor attempt to get richer. However as we all know,
One things sure and nothings surer, The rich get richer and the poor get children.
This creates a constant struggle between the poor and the obstacle that has tradionally come between them and their dreams, The rich.
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