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Post by Antid on Feb 22, 2004 16:47:13 GMT -5
I can't really imagine any reason to kill oneself except because of a grave catastrophe or of extreme shame. If you're ashamed of yourself, there's no way to get away from it - god, that would be awful!
Otherwise, every day is a new day - and if you're impatient to get away from the pain of the present, just go to sleep, but do not kill yourself.
There are so many things you can devote your life to and be proud of it. Failure and success are stupid, meaningless concepts for our age - how can we possibly foresee what we will be like in twenty years? Imagine Jeff Hayman enjoying the popularity of his career as a pop star, Henry working responsibly in a high-tech chemistry lab, and Alexei (comfortably retired) teaching sex-ed in high school.
Or maybe not... but the point is that everything can change like (snaps fingers) that - don't you want to see it before you die? I sure would!
Depression and suicide are foolish unless you've undergone a real catastrophe, such as losing your children in old age. Otherwise, all the angsty-teen crap nowadays depresses me...
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Post by Archagon on Feb 23, 2004 23:02:23 GMT -5
I take it you've never experienced such an urge?
Well, I have, and although I never quite reached "suicidal" stage (I am very religious and suicide to me is equal to murder), it was very hard. Sure, it's easy to think "there's always tomorrow", but then you realize that tomorrow your problems and woes are still going to be there, and this confinement pushes in on you until you just can't take the pressure anymore.
Also, don't forget, when one is depressed and suicidal, logic and perceptions typically become very biased.
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Post by AZERTY on Feb 24, 2004 1:12:58 GMT -5
btw what is your religion archagon? just interested....
What ever it is... Im glad you beleive in it... It might be all thats preventing this forum from losing one of its best mods (not to mention finders of weird links and sites)
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Post by Antid on Feb 24, 2004 3:28:54 GMT -5
If that's the way you feel, you can just consider me a gee-golly happy guy with no problems whatsoever, and blessed by fate not to have mood swings.
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Post by Archagon on Feb 24, 2004 14:35:25 GMT -5
btw what is your religion archagon? just interested.... What ever it is... Im glad you beleive in it... It might be all thats preventing this forum from losing one of its best mods (not to mention finders of weird links and sites) Hey, thanks! ;D Don't worry, that was a few years ago...I'm fine now. And just for the record, I am an Orthodox Christian. Magister - much of teen angst nowadays is caused by relitively small things, and sometimes depression, but there are always a few exceptions for whom such feelings are justified. In those cases they would not be "mood swings", but rather cause-and-effect scenarios brought about by suffering.
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Post by bezzerkker on Feb 24, 2004 19:49:01 GMT -5
because our hormones are all out of wack, we tend to become easily depressed, or any other mood. And it doesn't help that we have teachers that cram too much work into one day, friends taking things out on us, social disorders and so on. for me, its a combination of a few of the forementioned, and things that cause memory flash backs that I get from time to time. The most noteable ones that I will be reminded of is when I was beat or when I was strapped down to a table to get stitches, which is now part of the reason I experience claustrophobia from time to time. And my religion has a similar outlook upon suicide, as it being murder. My religion is a break off of a break off of the church of england, its called nazarene.
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Post by Antid on Feb 24, 2004 19:49:31 GMT -5
Hey, thanks! ;D Don't worry, that was a few years ago...I'm fine now. And just for the record, I am an Orthodox Christian. Magister - much of teen angst nowadays is caused by relitively small things, and sometimes depression, but there are always a few exceptions for whom such feelings are justified. In those cases they would not be "mood swings", but rather cause-and-effect scenarios brought about by suffering. What kind of suffering are we talking about here? Is cancer painfully eating away at your stomach and intestines, as currently is with one of my mother's friends? Are your legs amputated and you're slowly dying of gangrene, being a burden on your family? I was at this person's funeral just a few days ago, and he had not committed suicide despite living in horrible pain for the last few years. Or are you experiencing severe emotional pain? Did someone very close to you die recently? Are you alone and forsaken, where no one loves or understands you? Unless you can answer affirmatively to any of these questions, or bring up one of similarly grave caliber, you are a cowardly/spoiled bastard if you're complaining about life. Other people have had much worse than you, and they still kept on going, living life to its fullest. "To life, to life, l'chaim! L'chaim, l'chaim, to life! A gift we seldom are wise enough Ever to prize enough, Drink l'chaim, to life!"
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Post by Archagon on Feb 25, 2004 0:51:47 GMT -5
Unless you can answer affirmatively to any of these questions, or bring up one of similarly grave caliber, you are a cowardly/spoiled bastard if you're complaining about life. Other people have had much worse than you, and they still kept on going, living life to its fullest. And who are you to decide this? You must understand that pain is not something to be COMPARED - it is only terrible because there are often times no higher levels from past experience for you to compare it to. Ergo, even a small issue can bring about severe emotional pain and distress. Also, an issue that one person may not find troubling at all could affect another quite adversely. So it all depends on the person and the problem. Why have we changed to "you" all of a sudden?
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Post by KillinKrillan on Feb 25, 2004 0:55:22 GMT -5
Why have we changed to "you" all of a sudden? I believe he meant "you" as to anyone and everyone who reads his post. In the instant they read it, they themselves are "you" therefore his statement goes out to all, which I think is what he was going for.
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Post by Archagon on Feb 25, 2004 0:59:24 GMT -5
That WOULD be the case, were it not for this phrase: "Other people have had much worse than you, and they still kept on going, living life to its fullest."
Instead of making the example hypothetical he made it direct.
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Post by Antid on Feb 25, 2004 1:30:44 GMT -5
I was speaking hypotheticaly, adressing no one in particular.
I may be wrong of course, but I think that there are people who experience greater hardships than I've seen in angsty teens nowadays (that's the "you" I was primarily referring to). These people have a much greater reasons to desire suicide, but they remain strong, hopeful and optimistic, the latter melt apart and claim that life just ain't worth living when they haven't even bitten into it yet. It's especially annoying when such people are actually not that badly off, surrounded with friends and a loving family, but they're still depressed.
I'm not judging people, but this idea of an "angsty personality" has become almost a new fashion, and it makes me angry when I think about the people who have very real and very serious reasons to hate life, and how they often compose themselves in a much more dignified manner.
Don't you agree with me?
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Post by Archagon on Feb 25, 2004 1:32:42 GMT -5
I agree that many people suffer (or pretend to do so) because of little things, but I must also say once again that there are plenty of exceptions.
Whether they suffer to be "trendy" is another question...hmm..."I'm gonna kill myself, lol" is becoming a popular thought pattern nowadays...
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Post by Antid on Feb 25, 2004 1:44:10 GMT -5
Sure there are exceptions, and I sincerely hope that none of my friends do not fall in that category. However, I'd also really prefer them not to fall in that other category either.
But suicide is still illogical except in situations where you really have no way to get away from pain.
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Post by Archagon on Feb 25, 2004 1:46:28 GMT -5
Actually, it's quite logical. From a scientific standpoint, since natural selection doesn't work very well on human beings, self-termination rebalances the equation.
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Post by Monolith on Feb 25, 2004 1:55:17 GMT -5
correction, natural selection only corrects failure, and the human race is not currently failing from a survivalist standpoint.
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