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Post by Archagon on Feb 25, 2004 2:04:43 GMT -5
A side purpose of natural selection is keeping the population at bay, and it is currently not achieving that goal for humans. We breed like rabbits!
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Post by AZERTY on Feb 25, 2004 2:10:59 GMT -5
natural selection does keep the population at bay, currently natural selection has not done so for us....
Also what does "angst" mean? I dont beleive Ive ever heard it used, and I know I didnt learn it in English, even the dictionary had no definition for it...
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Post by Archagon on Feb 25, 2004 2:34:08 GMT -5
"Again everyday discourse and the everyday interpretation of Dasein furnish our most unbiased evidence that anxiety [Angst] as a basic state- of- mind is disclosive in the manner we have shown. As we have said earlier, a state- of- mind makes manifest 'how one is'. In anxiety one feels 'uncanny [unheimlich] Here the peculiar indefiniteness of that which Dasein finds itself alongside in anxiety, comes proximally to expression: the "nothing and nowhere". But here "uncanniness" also means "not- being- at- home" [das Nichtzuhause- sein]. In our first indication of the phenomenal character of Dasein's basic state and in our clarification of the existential meaning of "Being- in" as distinguished from the categorial signification of 'insideness', Being- in was defined as "residing alongside . . .", "Being- familiar with . . .still this character of Being- in was then brought to view more concretely through the everyday publicness of the "they", which brings tranquillized self- assurance--'Being- at- home', with all its obviousness--into the average everydayness of Dasein. On the other hand, as Dasein falls, anxiety [Angst] brings it back from its absorption in the 'world'. Everyday familiarity collapses. Dasein has been individualized, but individualized as Being- inthe- world. Being- in enters into the existential 'mode' of the "not- at- home". Nothing else is meant by our talk about 'uncanniness'."
;D ;D ;D
Angst is a close relative of the word anxiety.
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Post by AZERTY on Feb 25, 2004 2:46:25 GMT -5
thank you for the discourse... although a one word answer would have sufficed... ANXIETY
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Post by Antid on Feb 25, 2004 17:28:58 GMT -5
A side purpose of natural selection is keeping the population at bay, and it is currently not achieving that goal for humans. We breed like rabbits! First of all, natural selection does not necessarily keep a population at bay. It can favor the growth of a successful population, as it does with humans. If we breed like rabbits and manage to survive, that means we're just that good! Second of all, that's still not an excuse for suicide. Or are you saying that we should become like lemmings?
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Post by Archagon on Feb 25, 2004 17:37:42 GMT -5
I'm not saying we should, but we do it anyways.
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Post by bezzerkker on Feb 25, 2004 18:03:58 GMT -5
true, we do have the habit of killing ourselves off and that in effect helps future generations, but there are a great many of people that would refuse to do that and couldn't give a flying fuck about future generations
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Post by Antid on Feb 25, 2004 18:14:05 GMT -5
I don't think that killing ourselves would help future generations.
For that matter, if we kill ourselves off, we would be preventing potential future generations from even experiencing life, because they would never be born.
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Post by bezzerkker on Feb 25, 2004 18:29:12 GMT -5
true, very true but often some traits are passed down, so if a particular person has trouble dealing with life, yet finds the strength to remain somehow, and then has kids, and incedently raises them in such a way that they develope the tendency for depression, it screws them over, much so. And so we get a new generation of depression, and when depressed, you have the tendency to do poorly. In their jobs, they would do poor workmanship, and possibly screw up the environment or something else further
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Post by Antid on Feb 25, 2004 18:36:29 GMT -5
That's also very true, and in fact I hear about such cases all the time from my mother (she's a psychologist).
But don't you think that it would still be a better alternative to get treatment than to just "end it all?" Unborn children don't deserve to be robbed of an opportunity to turn life into something wonderful. In fact, you shouldn't rob yourself of that opportunity either, nor should you lose hope that life may get better.
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Post by bezzerkker on Feb 25, 2004 18:55:07 GMT -5
In my religion, it is not ending it all. In fact, its a way to increase your torment. I'm not trying to say that suicide is a good thing, because I do not believe it is. But in the gene pool and with selective breeding or whatever its called, it can cause harm if the tendency for depression and to attempt suicide causes harm. Often, life would have gotten better, its just that people let their emotions get the best of them, it happens to everyone. I know this, and I work hard to not let it happen, which is why I haven't commited suicide, nor have I gotten close. I have thought about it, yes, but most people do at some point.
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Post by Archagon on Feb 25, 2004 20:44:13 GMT -5
Why does nobody tell us these things ahead of time?
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Post by bezzerkker on Feb 25, 2004 20:47:32 GMT -5
I honestly don't know.
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Post by AZERTY on Feb 25, 2004 22:47:55 GMT -5
Magister, in killing ourselves, do not imagine that we are therefore killing unborn children, for if you hold that philosphy, why then do you not already have children? Your abstinence has killed off hundreds....
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Post by not a keyboard on Feb 26, 2004 0:59:55 GMT -5
... what?.... you can't kill something that's not there, both of you. if it's inside of me, then it's a part of me and i can do what i want with it. once, it's out, it's free to be an individual.
alexei, my darling. it's just one of those lessons in life you have to learn and then you move on. if you had been told about it ahead of time, what would have happened? i know i probably would have defied authority, like i tended to do constantly in middle school, and done it, just to spite eveyone, especialy those who told me. it most likely woud've been different for you, but you never know. kylie
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