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Aug 23, 2003 19:28:28 GMT -5
Post by Archagon on Aug 23, 2003 19:28:28 GMT -5
Please don't double post.
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Aug 23, 2003 21:19:18 GMT -5
Post by Antid on Aug 23, 2003 21:19:18 GMT -5
Oh but I don't know what those circumstances can be. I don't have a set plan for every nuance that can occur. Sex is kinda like shit - sometimes it just "happens."
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DarkJaguar
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Aug 27, 2003 0:01:42 GMT -5
Post by DarkJaguar on Aug 27, 2003 0:01:42 GMT -5
I think I agree with KK.........i would stay away form having sex before marriage unless I thought he was the one.....
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Aug 27, 2003 0:24:57 GMT -5
Post by Archagon on Aug 27, 2003 0:24:57 GMT -5
Look at britney spears though - she thought what's his name was the one, they had sex then they broke up - and she promised to have sex only after marriage to herself.
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Aug 29, 2003 18:55:53 GMT -5
Post by Salome on Aug 29, 2003 18:55:53 GMT -5
i dont think having sex w/o being married is immoral or anything, but i dont think i would choose to have sex w/ someone unless i really though i loved them enough; i guess i'm pretty much agreeing w/ what uve been saying
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Aug 30, 2003 0:31:07 GMT -5
Post by Dr.Quack on Aug 30, 2003 0:31:07 GMT -5
Oh but I don't know what those circumstances can be. I don't have a set plan for every nuance that can occur. Sex is kinda like sh it - sometimes it just "happens." I don't know about you, but I admit sometimes I have a bad case of dirrhea. It just happens. But on the contrary, sex does not just happen. Do you accidentally start taking someone's clothes off? I don't know about you, but I can pretty much control a conscious act such as that.
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Aug 30, 2003 13:48:51 GMT -5
Post by Antid on Aug 30, 2003 13:48:51 GMT -5
That's 'cause you haven't yet been seduced by a tall, long-legged blond who thinks you're the hottest guy around ;D
Just imagine this; Two years from now you are at a party and the girl/boy (depending on your preference ;D) of your dreams keeps stealing glances at you. You haven't felt this way about anyone either - you really want to touch... You feel like you've known and loved this person all your life... your heart is leaping... (This is beginning to sound like a romance novel, so I'll stop here). You're sure you want to marry this person and live happily ever after.
There's no point in denying that we all have our "desires," and sometimes they can be quite overpowering. The real problem is being able to differentiate between lust and love. Though sometimes a relationship based on lust can turn into love, if you're lucky.
Taking into account that people have sex either for pleasure or for children, I would like to point out this crucial difference between husband/wife relationship and boyfriend/girlfriend relationship. The latter is play and frolic, and yes, under given circumstances I would give into it.
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Aug 30, 2003 13:57:26 GMT -5
Post by Archagon on Aug 30, 2003 13:57:26 GMT -5
I don't believe in that crap. If a tall-legged blonde started looking at me and I found her attractive, I would think to myself "[fudgemonkeys] this" - I wouldn't have sex with somebody I do not know, no matter how pretty she was or how much she liked me. It's just...not right. Even if I think I've known her forever doesn't make it true. Animals do that. Humans have the power to control such urges, and it is that which makes us human. Sexiness substance, and the latter is what should mostly matter. And, as a matter of fact, you are wrong about the gf/bf and husband and wife thing. In the early stages of a marriage, it's just the same as a gf/bf relationship, but with a much stronger bonding. Gf/bf as our generation describes it is usually not too serious, with people dumping each other every week or so.
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Aug 31, 2003 1:06:38 GMT -5
Post by Antid on Aug 31, 2003 1:06:38 GMT -5
Whatever you say...
I think that it's ok to have sex before marriage, but once you're married, it's only ok to have sex with your partner. Period.
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Aug 31, 2003 1:57:59 GMT -5
Post by Archagon on Aug 31, 2003 1:57:59 GMT -5
Alright, I respect your opininon. But I take "whatever you say" as a sign of disrespect to mine.
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Aug 31, 2003 12:11:36 GMT -5
Post by Antid on Aug 31, 2003 12:11:36 GMT -5
Well, I thought your response was somewhat categorical, and I didn't expect it to be so terse.
Don't take offence please, I fully respect your opinion too.
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Aug 31, 2003 13:58:51 GMT -5
Post by Dr.Quack on Aug 31, 2003 13:58:51 GMT -5
That's 'cause you haven't yet been seduced by a tall, long-legged blond who thinks you're the hottest guy around ;D Just imagine this; Two years from now you are at a party and the girl/boy (depending on your preference ;D) of your dreams keeps stealing glances at you. You haven't felt this way about anyone either - you really want to touch... You feel like you've known and loved this person all your life... your heart is leaping... (This is beginning to sound like a romance novel, so I'll stop here). You're sure you want to marry this person and live happily ever after. Hee hee hee. Shall I assume that this has happened to you? ;D Anyway, my philosophy on sex before marriage is this: Once upon a time, civilization miraculously happened. In these civilizations, people began growing domestic crops, and herded animals, and began to figure out how to stay on one chunk of land and survive. Natural forces encouraged man and woman to mate, and have children. This created the stationary family. Because of the necessity of the mother raising a child, and the father's necessity of protecting his genes, they stuck together to create the base of the farm: a family. Suddenly, the girl/boy comes of age, and wants to mate with someone else. When those people find each other, they have children, and the families merge. Each family wants to merge with an equaly wealthy family, so they create the institution of marriage to prevent the female partner from running off with a "lesser human" and creating a family with such a person, which would be a liability. This institution of marriage becomes a social requirement, for those who practice marriage have a higher chance of not bringing varments into the family, and thus succeeding. It then became a social requirement for women, mostly, to abstain before marriage, for an accidental sexual episode would bring obligation and destroy the riches of the family. This became such a practice, that it was written in many books of faith, and set in stone. Although, at this point, abstinance before marriage applied almost only to females, and males could go around as they pleased. Then suddenly not too long ago, people found the advantage in being educated, and the institution of schooling became a widespread requirement for youth. Suddenly, these youth hit the age of natural desire, and wish to have "episodes." Accidents happened during these episodes, and women became pregnant, and thus could not continue with education. Suddenly, with help from the feminist movement, men were given the obligation of caring for the mate and child, and also could not continue with schooling. So then it became a social requirement, and eventually a law that children can not have sex until eighteen (yes, that is a law), and coincidentally, can not marry until eighteen. Thus, in conclusion, I believe sex before marriage being a grave sin is merely a superstition brought upon by millinia of social growth and observation that it is best not to have sex before marriage, yet, even at this present day, for the sake of social order and education, I believe we shouldn't have sex before marriage. Of course, many might be over taken with the desire to engage in such activity. That's why the whorehouse was created. But nonetheless, I have come to look poorly upon sex before marriage nonetheless.
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Aug 31, 2003 14:12:10 GMT -5
Post by Antid on Aug 31, 2003 14:12:10 GMT -5
Each family wants to merge with an equaly wealthy family, so they create the institution of marriage to prevent the female partner from running off with a "lesser human" and creating a family with such a person, which would be a liability. This is not necessarily true. I think it has less to do with the will of the family than the dominance of the male mate. He doesn't want the female to run off with another male - he chose this female, and he wants to keep her. Other animals do that too - wolves, for example, mate for life, and their families have nothing to do with it. For the most part, though, I agree with you. However, no sex can cause psychological problems. Guys have a natural urge to "release their sexual tension." If they restrain themselves from doing that, they may become aggressive and causelessly irritable. Our good friend Freud could tell us something about that... So how should young people relieve themselves?
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Aug 31, 2003 14:50:56 GMT -5
Post by Archagon on Aug 31, 2003 14:50:56 GMT -5
1) Many consider Freud to be a lunatic. I don't know yet if I subscribe to that opinion. 2) THE ONLY WAY TO PREVENT THESE SO CALLED URGES IS NOT THINKING ABOUT SEXUAL MATERIAL. And don't say that's impossible, because it isn't! We have willpower. We have a choice! Look at the holy men of India - some of them sat down and uttered naught but one word for many years, and they only became stronger. And if they can do that, I'm sure people can wait till they're married - we are NOT animals. Besides, it's just not the same if your mate for life is not a virgin - sharing your bodies with each other must be something higher than just getting pleasure off of it, and if it's happened before, then they've already shared themselves with someone else...bleh, I can't explain it too well.
And Jeff - I agree with most of your opinions. That's a good question, I have to go look up why it's a sin.
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Aug 31, 2003 14:59:55 GMT -5
Post by Antid on Aug 31, 2003 14:59:55 GMT -5
Alexei, let me ask you a very personal question. Do YOU have the willpower to not think about stuff you really know you want to think about? If you answer "yes," you're simply amazing - you've got ultimate control over yourself. IF not, you shouldn't be so extreme.
Moreover, people either have fantasies or they don't. If they don't, there's something wrong with them. If they do, it's very difficult and unhealthy to repress those thoughts.
Oh, and please show some respect for Freud and don't say he's a lunatic. After all, he knew a little more about psycology than we do.
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